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View attachment 2952 Damn, you guys where right, I should have made a bag of popcorn before starting at page one of this debate.
I remember seeing this clip on blowers, there is truth in blower efficiency and what the right size for the intended application brings.
PS, I’d give one, maybe at my age both of my testicles to be doing just 9’s with my cat lol
I actually disagree with the statement in the screenshot. 16-18 psi is really over spinning the 2.4 L and making a Crap load of heat . 13-15 psi is more like the max of a 2.4L for efficiency before you are just making heat. For the 2.7L 16-18 is about the max . I have not researched the whipple or KB enough to give my opinion. But I'm sure they are 20+ psi .

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Whip,

I have never raised this point before, never. I want all the members to run quick, that includes you. I have spent a lot of money to know what I know, I continue to learn (love learning).
Tell it in your own thread, you can’t go preaching in every thread, I do understand your point, and in some respect you are also very wrong at the same time. If we left the stock blower on these cars and stopped pushing for progress and learning we aren’t going anywhere with this platform, we will be stuck getting passed by the Competition. The whipple 4.5 might not be it for drag racing, but that’s not the end all be all for people. The whipple gives you one hell of a trap speed and for the street that’s what’s going to take the win, top end power. There are other things other than the 1320. Half mile racing is popular and lots of roll racing events.

We all have to keep testing and pushing. The fact that you didn’t even know there are faster whipple cars out there is a perfect example. We are all working towards the same goal. Going faster.

I do agree on the average joe who wants to go fast and being talked into a 30k build by a shop and in the end for 2-3k he could be going just as fast.

That’s worth warning people about. But... that doesn’t mean you start telling people it doesn’t work. To each his own man.

Whip,

There is 1 full weight whipple car going quicker than 9.50 that uses a race motor and a ported blower to do it. I am sorry that I did not know about it, but it does not mean I am wrong.

We can agree to disagree on what the value of a whipple or KB. The time slip does not lie, it is what it is.
 


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I feel like im watching the fast and the furious ,,makes me want to go fast like all you high horse power guys
 


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I actually disagree with the statement in the screenshot. 16-18 psi is really over spinning the 2.4 L and making a Crap load of heat . 13-15 psi is more like the max of a 2.4L for efficiency before you are just making heat. For the 2.7L 16-18 is about the max . I have not researched the whipple or KB enough to give my opinion. But I'm sure they are 20+ psi .

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im curious about this post ,I have the 2.85 pulley and im getting 13-15 psi
and I was considering going to a 10% overdrive after the track closes but if this is true about it being maxed out ,then maybe I should go another route or demon blower ,,,,so is there facts to back up the 2.4 being maxed out and creating nothing but more heat
 


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im curious about this post ,I have the 2.85 pulley and im getting 13-15 psi
and I was considering going to a 10% overdrive after the track closes but if this is true about it being maxed out ,then maybe I should go another route or demon blower ,,,,so is there facts to back up the 2.4 being maxed out and creating nothing but more heat
I have no hard facts( that's why I said my opinion). All superchargers have a efficiency range. Why did SRT put a 2.7L on the demon and not just change the pulley on the 2.4L? Same on the hellephant ? I think heat and bearing speed are a major issue with any forced induction system. I would love to see some IAT's of superchargers that are being spun really high .

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Hpindy since I have a pulley and tune by curt is a cai recommended or just stay with stock
 


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Hpindy since I have a pulley and tune by curt is a cai recommended or just stay with stock
That I don't know . I'm going to try and test 3 intakes tomorrow. (Stock, LMI, and JLT). Stay to for some results . I would also speak to your tune and discuss it with them .

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I have no hard facts( that's why I said my opinion). All superchargers have a efficiency range. Why did SRT put a 2.7L on the demon and not just change the pulley on the 2.4L? Same on the hellephant ? I think heat and bearing speed are a major issue with any forced induction system. I would love to see some IAT's of superchargers that are being spun really high .

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I agree with you on the heat and speed. My rotors exploded into 1000 pieces as a likely result of blower RPM and took out my engine along with it. When I wrote about it in the other forum, I had a vendor reach out to me with having the same thing happen to 4 other cars, mine being the 5th he knew about. I then had 2 other individuals later contact me with blown up superchargers looking for answers too.

The common denominator- High RPM. All cars were modded and they all let go running 6500-7000 which translated into 21,000-23,000+ blower speeds depending on pulley combos. Stock calculates out to about 14,800. Too much heat and/or too much speed can be catastrophic to these cast superchargers. Yes, a lot of people have gotten by with no issues at all. Some have not.

This was my personal justification for a bigger and billet supercharger vs stock. At $7k it’s not cheap but it was certainly a cheaper option than the almost $10k Redeye/Demon blower. Contrary to other opinions, this was a no-brainer for me. Far less blower speeds, billet vs cast and all for less money??

One s/c failure cost me enough so I’ll take the safety of an upgraded unit over a record timeslip any day.



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954rwhp & 938tq over here on a built 426 stroker on stock blower at 14 psi tuned by Tim B. Put down those numbers in 110 degrees on the dyno in Phoenix Arizona. Gonna hit the dyno in the winter and hit 1000rwhp maybe.
2.72 & 10 ATI lower. Headers, mean cam shaft, inconel exhaust valves & E-85 fuel set up. Blower spacers etc..
I can care less about a 1/4 time slip. Just a badass street set up to shut up those dam haters who always have a negative comment!
1/2 mile event coming up soon in October & we shall see what the mph will be.
Lol was not even wanting this much HP but now I’m stuck with it. I’m gonna start a new car club called Spinning is Winning!
 


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Wow, some here think that in 1/2 mile event proves that the aftermarket blower is worth it. Lets find out, I will attend with my over spun 2.3 liter stock blower, lets see the results. The spin here is unbelievable
 


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Who wants to line up? all those 1/2 mile cars, lets see what happens
 


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Oh, one catch, no roll racing, roll racing is for pussies, it is from a dig, put your big boy pants on.
 


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Just take it to the tracks for a bit of fun and post some vids. Not sure why everyone is all worked up.
 


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Guys keep it civil please.
 


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Guys keep it civil please.
Yes I agree speedy and maybe that post was inappropriate but it needed to be said. I will leave it at that. Apologies to everyone one in here but the 1 person.
 


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Just take it to the tracks for a bit of fun and post some vids. Not sure why everyone is all worked up.
I'm just on my way home the track now ........ I had fun!

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I'm really appreciative of everyone sharing info in this thread, but please keep the arguments off the thread.
 


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I have no hard facts( that's why I said my opinion). All superchargers have a efficiency range. Why did SRT put a 2.7L on the demon and not just change the pulley on the 2.4L? Same on the hellephant ? I think heat and bearing speed are a major issue with any forced induction system. I would love to see some IAT's of superchargers that are being spun really high .

Remember this is my opinion not fact.

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While I have no hard core racing facts to contribute in my basically stock RE, I can qualify with an absolute certainty hpindy Hit it dead on with his post on efficiency and heat related post, based on the fact that all flowing gasses, “All” are subject to volume reduction in a given space ie chamber, blower rotor area etc if heat is increased period. This is all based on charles law and boils law. If someone can navigate around that physics law I am all ears. Now that I high jacked the living shit out of this post I would like to thank everyone for educating me on what seems to work and what doesn’t. After all we all seek the
Powerful hp grail no?. In the heated debate no pun intended all posts hear have some merit. The one common issue with our boosted cats is efficiency, and when it peaks. To much to soon and traction is the issue, loose the 60’ and it’s a bitch trying to get it back at the high end. It comes down to a given area (note area) that is compressed at at a given temperature because two identical volumes are actually different volumes if they aren’t the same temperature. Mon through Friday I deal with measuring volumes of gases while it may not make me an authority on internal combustion thermal efficiency properties it dose yield a certain given fact that hpindy pointed out air quantity reduction with heat not to mention if our knock sensor friend steps in and pull back some timing. The flows I measure are on a ultrasonic, orfice, turbin, and (Rotary basically identical to our blowers)
All of these gases are measured with these
For uncorected volume then a corrector takes this a step further and corrrects for supercompessibility ie: temperature and pressure to yield a real corrected actual volume. Soooooo, All of you folks are right in many ways just my worthless .02
And for what it’s worth I was popping Skittles in my mouth while reading all the posts, no shit really. Reading the passion here makes me wanna say aw F it screw the warranty, call one of the 3 or 4 hard core tuners that will get er done and find out what a RE can take. Hope I can find the gumption to kick it off. One last thing. I have absolutely learned a boat load observing from the side line with all the posts hear and at the other site, your all winners. Sorry for the long high jacked post.

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I DO NOT have 1000rwhp and I'm have a "unique " time trying to get my power to the ground. I can't imagine you guys with 1000+rwhp! .

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While I have no hard core racing facts to contribute in my basically stock RE, I can qualify with an absolute certainty hpindy Hit it dead on with his post on efficiency and heat related post, based on the fact that all flowing gasses, “All” are subject to volume reduction in a given space ie chamber, blower rotor area etc if heat is increased period. This is all based on charles law and boils law. If someone can navigate around that physics law I am all ears. Now that I high jacked the living shit out of this post I would like to thank everyone for educating me on what seems to work and what doesn’t. After all we all seek the
Powerful hp grail no?. In the heated debate no pun intended all posts hear have some merit. The one common issue with our boosted cats is efficiency, and when it peaks. To much to soon and traction is the issue, loose the 60’ and it’s a bitch trying to get it back at the high end. It comes down to a given area (note area) that is compressed at at a given temperature because two identical volumes are actually different volumes if they aren’t the same temperature. Mon through Friday I deal with measuring volumes of gases while it may not make me an authority on internal combustion thermal efficiency properties it dose yield a certain given fact that hpindy pointed out air quantity reduction with heat not to mention if our knock sensor friend steps in and pull back some timing. The flows I measure are on a ultrasonic, orfice, turbin, and (Rotary basically identical to our blowers)
All of these gases are measured with these
For uncorected volume then a corrector takes this a step further and corrrects for supercompessibility ie: temperature and pressure to yield a real corrected actual volume. Soooooo, All of you folks are right in many ways just my worthless .02
And for what it’s worth I was popping Skittles in my mouth while reading all the posts, no shit really. Reading the passion here makes me wanna say aw F it screw the warranty, call one of the 3 or 4 hard core tuners that will get er done and find out what a RE can take. Hope I can find the gumption to kick it off. One last thing. I have absolutely learned a boat load observing from the side line with all the posts hear and at the other site, your all winners. Sorry for the long high jacked post.

The watch full observer

There are many ways to look at this, the older I get, the simpler approach I take. There are many examples of hellcats actually slowing down with whipples and KB. I know of a Demon what was running 9.0s at Hemifest at ran 9.34 with a KB in Michigan (a few weeks later).

Many people have bought the whipple and KB, no time slips to date have been posted quicker than 9.5's. Yes, the hellcat with the race motor and ported blower went 9.1s. At some point, you have to call it as it is, in this case, the Whipple and KB are the wrong move on a stock motor, stock weight hellcat, IMO.

Maybe it shines on the street and at 1/2 mile events, IDK. Telling the truth causes issues today, the truth is something that many do not want to hear. I think, I can kill all the whipples in a 1/2 mile events, since I am much quicker than them in 1/4 mile. Do I want to run a 1/2 mile? No, I will be around 200 MPH, even with the cage, it is too fast, there is a guy that died in Florida doing these events, a problem at 200 + mph is hard to walk away from.

However, the spin is the whipple shines in the 1/2 mile, so lets find out, I have a stock drive train (motor has aftermarket pistons and rods), stock A8, stock rear, stock supercharger, but I have no takers on the the call out.

I will be at Atco for the MSHS event ( I am not 100% sure of this but it looks that way), if any whipple or KB cars want to line up, let me know, not a problem.
 




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